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DE RUYTER by dugazm DE RUYTER by dugazm
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light cruiser HrMs De Ruyter was sunk by Japanese cruisers during the Battle of Java Sea, along with light cruiser Java and destroyer Kortenaer. The ship sank at 0230 hours in the morning of 28 february. 345 crewmembers perished.
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Kara-ALVAMA Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Also we did not carry a Fokker during the battle.
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Kara-ALVAMA Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Also there is no Dutch Navy - ROYAL NETHERLANDS NAVY
Doorman choise not to sail out - he NEEDED form the state by extortion of australie and USA.
Australie and USA where too silly and too cowardly to take it.
We had no habbit for keeping orders for our self, the USA and AUS Navy did poorly communcations
HOUSTON did tried to escape and everytime to leave the flottila - Doorman said - Follow me - LIKE GET THE FUCK BACK.
They NEVER would enter Australia, whoever had the Command.
The Dutch had no war lucks, we did fight whit just the only shit we had, since USA didn't found us important enough.
Also the USS Houston was no hero, and here nick name ''Ghost ship'' is stolen from a other ship
The Dutch did in ''Comparsion'' a beter job.
and NO I am not disappointed about facts the Dutch surrender, since you know what our Army was, and we never really lost and I cannot carre about haters comments.
Next time, write a proper story, based on real facts and not dumb all shit at us, but I think you guys where just too-unhuman for that.
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vassilizaitzev Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
Okay, what the devil are you going on about? It may seem strange I'm reviving this, but you argument makes no sense.

Doorman left orders for the surviving ships not to rescue survivors, so to criticize the late captains of the Houston and Perth is dumbfounded. The US Asiatic Fleet was mostly composed of older, outdated ships. All of our destroyers were the old 'four piper' variant that were over 20 years old. Houston was a heavy cruiser, but had no radar and needed modernization, not going over the fact that most of their initial five inch shells were duds. For the British, they lost one BB and one BC in December, and given their budget constraints and cost of WWI, could not afford to send more than what they did.

ABDA was fragmented, four different navies, four different ways of doing things(though the British and Australians used similar methods). Doorman was aggressive, and competent, but should have put more energy into uniting his command(though it's more accurate to say that of all of ABDAs high command).

USS Houston received her nickname "Galloping Ghost of the Java Coast" because Tokyo Rose kept reporting her sunk time and time again. Can't say for HMAS Perths ammunition, but Houston used a lot of her 8 inch shells during the battle. So much so, that her crew had to hand carry shells from her aft turret(knocked out in a earlier air raid) and switch to star shells at Sunda Strait.

As for that quip that the US didn't find the Netherlands important enough. I should remind you that we lost a lot of soldiers during those first few months(Phillipines, Wake Island, Guam, etc). Our Pacific Fleet was pasted at Pearl Harbor, and with only three carriers initially in the Pacific, it's unrealistic to assume the US would come bounding to aid the East Indies. I think the fact a lot of the remaining Asiatic Fleet was lost near Java should show that we did offer support.

Off the record, I would recommend giving your comment a once over before posting. A few spelling and grammar errors are fine, but not that many. Also, using childish insults lowers your credibility.
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Bushido-Wolf-97 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Please don't think all of us Dutchies are like him though, a few of us, including myself, know what happened during the Pacific War.
I myself am a big fan of the Imperial Japanese Navy, however.
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vassilizaitzev Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014
No worries, I'm not one to lump a whole nation due to the actions of a few. We have plenty of these idiots in the US as well, proclaiming that America was the sole combatant in the war. Hell, I had to tell a few students that Canada and Australia fought in the war. For the criticisms put on him, I found Doormans conduct brave; the Dutch(and the rest of ABDA for that matter) just didn't have a lot to work with. Got a growing library on the Pacific now, trying to expand outside a US viewpoint. Picked up 'Fall of Java' by P.C. Boer and 'Battle of the Java Sea' by Van Ooesten(sp?). 

Wouldn't call myself a fan of the IJN, but have some books on them to see their point of view. Read 'Japanese Destroyed Captain' by Tameichi Hara, guy was a class act!
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Bushido-Wolf-97 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Glad to know that there are people with knowledge on the matter.

The reason why I'm a fan of the IJN is mainly because of their ship designs, particularly their cruisers, which look far ahead for their time.

P.S: Have you ever played Battlestations Midway or Pacific? They' re great games and I' d highly reccomend them to you if you haven' t played them yet.
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vassilizaitzev Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014
Not sure of the appearance of the cruisers(heard some were pretty top heavy). Firepower was impressive though, could outgun anything the US had initially. Played Battlestations Midway a while, never got into it I'm afraid. Don't play as much as I used too, went back to school to get a Masters, that's eats up a lot of time. Mostly play Battlefield 3 now. 
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Bushido-Wolf-97 Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ah, I see. Well, the IJN's cruisers really look a bit like modern day destroyers, take a look at the Takao class and then at a JMSDF ship, they look fairly similair.

Anyway, hope things go well with your education.
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vassilizaitzev Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2014
Yeah, I can see the similarities. Thanks, to you as well. 
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Kara-ALVAMA Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
50% of your story of the Dutch side is all wrong, serieusly.
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